Ciciarada Utent:Gat lombard/Archivi 2022-1

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Hello

Hello @Gat lombart:
Contra

Is this the right template ? —Eihel (ciciarade) 17:47, 3 Nov 2021 (CET)

Yes if you mean "contro" in italian or "against" in english--Gat lombart (ciciarade) 17:45, 3 Nov 2021 (CET)

Re: Tabella grafie e dialet

Ciao, hoo vest, ma d'ordinare a l' soo miga se una parolla l'è de un dialet o l'olter (o de tuts)... L'è per qell qe despess lasse vœd, plutost qe scriver un lavor sbagliad --Glz19 (ciciarade) 13:51, 26 Nov 2021 (CET)

@Glz19: Mi indichi domà i dialet che conossi. De tut i manere te podet impienì o lassà voeuj. L'unega roba importanta l'è che te scrivet minga {{tut}} (tucc) o {{+}} (ocidental) o {{-}} (oriental) se te see minga sicur che se disa inscì anca in di alter dialet. --Gat lombart (ciciarade) 14:01, 26 Nov 2021 (CET)

Rohingya

What could Rohingya (rhg) be called in Lombard? --Apisite (ciciarade) 13:55, 5 Dic 2021 (CET)

Thanks, now how about the Tausug (tsg) language? Could it be called "soloc" (after Suluk) or something in Lombard? I would imagine the language name of Maranao (mrw) to remain unchanged. --Apisite (ciciarade) 14:44, 5 Dic 2021 (CET)

List of Languages

Consider making a separate page for the list of languages at the main page, as it continues to grow. --Apisite (ciciarade) 01:05, 6 Dic 2021 (CET)

Maguindanao

Could Maguindanao (ISO-3 code mdh and local name Magindanaw) be spelled "Maghindanao" in Lombard? --Apisite (ciciarade) 05:36, 6 Dic 2021 (CET)

English Pages

How many pages would you like me to add per day in your time-zone? --Apisite (ciciarade) 15:23, 10 Dic 2021 (CET)

Candila

Is the noun "candila" really masculine or feminine? --Apisite (ciciarade) 14:17, 11 Dic 2021 (CET)

@Apisite: feminine--Gat lombart (ciciarade) 14:18, 11 Dic 2021 (CET)

divination

Couldn't the definition for the English word "divination" be "induvinà (secrets or possibilities of) el futur"? --Apisite (ciciarade) 10:56, 16 Dic 2021 (CET)

Organizing Translations

Couldn't the section of translations be split into two columns? --Apisite (ciciarade) 17:32, 16 Dic 2021 (CET)

@Apisite: Yes, templates should be created to do this (en). Si se gh'havariss de creà di modei per fà quell lavorà chì. (lmo) --Gat lombart (ciciarade) 17:36, 16 Dic 2021 (CET)

@Apisite: Something like the templates quader-derva, quader-altra colona, quader-sarra su, easiest and named "traduzzion" instead of "quader" --Gat lombart (ciciarade) 17:40, 16 Dic 2021 (CET)

@Apisite: Fad-Fait!--Gat lombart (ciciarade) 18:19, 16 Dic 2021 (CET)

Parnonzia cinesa

Consider studying the English Wiktionary's pronunciation template for the Chinese languages. --Apisite (ciciarade) 02:25, 17 Dic 2021 (CET)

Re: Rexon, Pax

Grazie per la correzion! Sont usad a la Wikipedia, indove qe i titoi i è semper maiuscoi --Glz19 (ciciarade) 00:05, 23 Dic 2021 (CET)

How we will see unregistered users

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19:17, 4 Gen 2022 (CET)

Sgiontadure

What could the template and category for conjunctions be named? --Apisite (ciciarade) 15:16, 24 Feb 2022 (CET)

@Apisite: Look at these examples ► categoria:Sgiontadure_in_lombard --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 15:33, 24 Feb 2022 (CET)

conligad

What does the Lombard word "conligad" (as in, termin conligad) mean in English? --Apisite (ciciarade) 06:20, 17 Mrz 2022 (CET)

@Apisite: "conligad" is an adjective and the masculine past participle of the verb "conligà" which in English means "to connect" or "to relate". it means "connected" or "related" --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 08:46, 17 Mrz 2022 (CET)

Then how could the term "derived terms" be translated? --Apisite (ciciarade) 04:34, 24 Mrz 2022 (CET)

@Apisite: "termin derivad"--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 09:13, 24 Mrz 2022 (CET)

no matter what

The phrase "no matter what" could mean "regardless of any or most possible adverse circumstances" or simply "under any circumstances" for short. --Apisite (ciciarade) 10:30, 17 Mrz 2022 (CET)

I simply translated it with the equivalent in Lombard of "never" There is no exact translation of "no matter what" in Lombard. It has to be translated differently depending on the case. In the example of the article confuse we could for example also use "per nissuna reson" (for any reason). Could it be better?--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:24, 17 Mrz 2022 (CET)

I admit, that your current translation may be better. --Apisite (ciciarade) 11:29, 17 Mrz 2022 (CET)

Making a Template for Classifiers

When it comes to classifiers, like those shown in the entry ตา for example, what template like Modell:-verb- do you think may be appropriate for them? --Apisite (ciciarade) 14:08, 26 Mrz 2022 (CET)

@Apisite: I am not expert about languages ​​that have classifiers. Are classifiers single words or suffixes? If classifiers are words we can create another template like Modell:-verb- for example Modell:-class-.

What's the English or the Italian for what you wrote after "classificador" in the entry ตา --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 15:05, 26 Mrz 2022 (CET)

I think that the classifiers are single words, not suffixes. --Apisite (ciciarade) 15:09, 26 Mrz 2022 (CET)

The English edition of Wiktionary has an entry for the Thai word ดวง. --Apisite (ciciarade) 15:10, 26 Mrz 2022 (CET)

If classifier are words you should use the template Modell:-class- I just created like for verbs ,adjective and so on. --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 15:24, 26 Mrz 2022 (CET)

I seem to have understood that classifiers are pieces of words that are introduced in other words to modify their meaning. Each name has classifiers compatible with it. then I decided to put the classifier in the grey box, usually used to give particular instruction about the usage of the word (like in fiss).--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 15:48, 26 Mrz 2022 (CET)

Measure words or classifiers could be to the Thai, Lao, Chinese, Korean, Khmer, Burmese and Vietnamese languages, what the plural forms are to us. --Apisite (ciciarade) 13:08, 1 Avr 2022 (CEST)

@Apisite: They could be words to insert in other words to form the plural, but I don't know these languages and than I'm not sure. If you work on these languages ​​without knowing them, you risk making some mistakes.--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 13:13, 1 Avr 2022 (CEST)

Citazzion / Quotations

How could quotations be here in the Lombard Wiktionary displayed? --Apisite (ciciarade) 15:25, 3 Avr 2022 (CEST)

Write the template Template:-citazzion- and the quotation under the template "-citazzion-"--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 18:25, 3 Avr 2022 (CEST)

smokery & smokehouse

Is there really no native Lombard word for a culinary smokehouse? --Apisite (ciciarade) 23:59, 11 Avr 2022 (CEST)

@Apisite: The Italian language, under the influence of the English language, is taking numerous words from English. In turn, the Lombard takes them from Italian, the native Italian words are adapted to the Lombard, for example "smokehouse" does not have a corresponding native Lombard word, but in Italian it is said "affumicatoio", therefore in Lombard we can reasonably introduce "fumegador" or "afumicador". Instead for "smokery" is an english word that does not exists in Italian therefore it should be taken as it is or at most transliterated in Lombard. --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 10:23, 12 Avr 2022 (CEST)

Speaking of English words, the website https://barbarisms.ge/ has native Georgian alternatives for words under the influence of the English and Russian languages. --Apisite (ciciarade) 10:27, 12 Avr 2022 (CEST)

when the Lombard word exists we use it otherwise it is taken from Italian and adapted. Moreover "smokery" does not need a transliteration, you can write "smokery" or "smocheri" but the pronunciation is the same --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 10:30, 12 Avr 2022 (CEST)

If I were to write and speak in Lombard, I would rather use the term "fumegador" along with the Lombard word for "culinary" in this case.--Apisite (ciciarade) 10:38, 12 Avr 2022 (CEST)

You may use "fumegador" o "afumicador" if you mean the appliance for smoking foods by deriving the word from the verb "fumegà"/"afumicà". --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 10:44, 12 Avr 2022 (CEST)

janggi

My best guess for janggi is to spell it as ciangghi in the New Lombard Orthography. --Apisite (ciciarade) 14:20, 6 Mag 2022 (CEST)

I don't know because I don't know its pronunciation. However, double "g" after "n" do not exist in Lombard. --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 21:45, 6 Mag 2022 (CEST)

The word janggi is pronounced [ˈt͡ɕa̠(ː)ŋɡi] in the Korean language. --Apisite (ciciarade) 13:08, 7 Mag 2022 (CEST)

It's "Cianghi" --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 21:39, 7 Mag 2022 (CEST)

Also, you may add the term "Korean chess" to the entry. --Apisite (ciciarade) 13:08, 7 Mag 2022 (CEST)

You may traslate the english "Corean cess" into the lombard "scach corean"

For shogi and xiangqi, you could add the terms "Japanese chess" and "Chinese chess" respectively. --Apisite (ciciarade) 13:24, 7 Mag 2022 (CEST)

Therefore "scach giapones" and "scach cines"

And then there's also Burmese chess and Ethiopian chess. --Apisite (ciciarade) 13:38, 7 Mag 2022 (CEST)

Scach bormes, scach etiop --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 21:39, 7 Mag 2022 (CEST)

pawn

I expected a translation of the word "pawn" in the sense of chess, hence the photograph that I added to the entry. --Apisite (ciciarade) 09:58, 10 Mag 2022 (CEST)

Fad-Fait!--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 10:16, 10 Mag 2022 (CEST)

to go underground

Here's the entry on the term "go underground" at the English Wiktionary. Apisite (ciciarade) 00:22, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

In the example in the page worship do I have to traslate it as "disappear" or as "hide"?--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 08:54, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

The verb "to hide" is fine. --Apisite (ciciarade) 09:03, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

Also, "hide" as in "hide from the authorities and their order-followers" in this case. --Apisite (ciciarade) 09:04, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

id est "Never been seen again" ? = (lmo) fàss pù vedé --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 09:12, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

How could the phrase "to go into hiding" be translated? --Apisite (ciciarade) 09:19, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

scondes --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 09:21, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

You may use that word, so thanks for answering. --Apisite (ciciarade) 09:23, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

I don't mean this to be insensitive: you may have yet to understand English idioms well, so I changed the original sentence.

Besides, as I grew up autistic, I could relate to the difficulty of understanding idioms by taking them literally. --Apisite (ciciarade) 09:35, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

In the meantime, I added the words "underground" and "idiom" so they'll be done with, at least for now. --Apisite (ciciarade) 09:53, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

However I think that the literal translation is still understandable in Lombard, since "going underground" in a non-literal sense could mean "disappearing from sight" even if I don't think it is a used idiom in lombard. I don't know the English idioms. --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:01, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

Have you made entries on Lombard idioms? --Apisite (ciciarade) 11:24, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

No, the Lombard idioms can be found in the section "proverbs and moeud de dì", see for example in daner. the literaly explaintion is in Lombard.--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:37, 20 Sgiu 2022 (CEST)

Tables of contents

Isn't it time to make a template for the table of contents like we did at the English edition? Apisite (ciciarade) 10:22, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

Are you able to do do it? --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 10:25, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

Since we have yet to have a system of modules, we'll have to make do with this version to study. --Apisite (ciciarade) 10:32, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

I don't have intention to do it but if you want you can do it --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 10:35, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

First, the name for the Lombard Wiktionary's table-of-contents templates has to be coined. --Apisite (ciciarade) 10:45, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

Could Modell:indes-en fit since Modell:indes is already the general tabel of contents i.e. the alphabetical index? --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 10:55, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

How about Modell:Categoria-indes-en and Modell:Categoria-indes-lmo? --Apisite (ciciarade) 11:21, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

Is this template used to divide into categories based on the alphabetical index?--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:30, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

I understand how it works, it serves to make the alphabetical index work within categories. --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:45, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

Then I would do Modell:indes categoria-en, Modell:indes categoria-lmo and so on and set this templates in the category Categoria:Modei indes--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:47, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

Fair enough. --Apisite (ciciarade) 15:26, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

This template could be useful as the Lombard wiktionary needs an alphabetical list of words only in Lombard language as well as for other languages --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 22:35, 17 Ago 2022 (CEST)

Gallo, Leonese, Tarantino, etc.

How could the following languages be by the Lombard Wiktionary covered?

• Angevin (roa-ang) (in lombard: "angevin /angioin") Fad-Fait!
• Bourbonnais-Berrichon (roa-bbn) (in lombard: "borbones-berriscion") Fad-Fait!
• Bourguignon / Burgundian (roa-brg) (in lombard: "borgognon") Fad-Fait!
• Champenois (roa-cha) (in lombard: "sciampagnese") Fad-Fait!
• Franc-Comtois (roa-fcm) (in lombard: "franco-contees") Fad-Fait!
• Gallo (roa-gal) (in lombard: "gallo") Fad-Fait!
• Leonese (roa-leo) (in lombard: "leones") Fad-Fait!
• Lorrain (roa-lor) (in lombard: "lorenes") Fad-Fait!
• Orléanais (roa-orl) (in lombarda: "orleanes") Fad-Fait!
• Poitevin-Saintongeais (roa-poi) (in lombard: "pitavin-santonges") Fad-Fait!
• Tarantino (roa-tar) (in lombard: "tarantin") Fad-Fait!
• Tourangeau / Tourangean / Tourangian (roa-tou) (in lombard: "toransgian") Fad-Fait!

Would most of the languages be placed under a section about the Oïl languages? Apisite (ciciarade) 07:37, 20 Set 2022 (CEST)

@Apisite: The problem with these languages ​​is that they don't have an ISO 639-3 code. However, it seems that some can be classified as a language. Since it is not possible to make a group of all the oil languages ​​because it should also have French inside, I think there is no other way than to consider them as autonomous languages. --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:00, 20 Set 2022 (CEST)

@Apisite: Tarantino must be considered an autonomous language as it also has a wikipedia https://roa-tara.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagene_Prengep%C3%A1le --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:03, 20 Set 2022 (CEST)

@Apisite: Today Leonese is classified according to ISO 639-3 as a dialect of Asturian --Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:08, 20 Set 2022 (CEST)

Audio Clips

How could audio clips be shown in the Lombard edition of Wiktionary? Apisite (ciciarade) 09:33, 27 Set 2022 (CEST)

@Apisite: See there--Gat lombard (ciciarade) 11:36, 27 Set 2022 (CEST)

Re: Istruzzion per impienì con la SL i pagine che 'l sò titol l'è in NOL

Grazie! --Glz19 (ciciarade) 23:23, 29 set 2022 (CEST)